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\u201cAnd when they shall say unto you, Seek unto them that have familiar spirits, and unto wizards that peep, and that mutter: should not a people seek unto their God? for the living to the dead?\u00a0 To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word,\u00a0it is because\u00a0there is no light in them\u201d (Isa. 8:19-20).<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n

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The problem of believers seeking information from extra-biblical sources is certainly not new.\u00a0 About a hundred years ago, chief of Criminal Investigation of Scotland Yard, Sir Robert Anderson, wrote, \u201cTidings reach us from all lands that earnest and spiritual Christians are being deluded, and thrown into a frenzy of exultation, by the meaningless mutterings of what is called the \u2018gift of tongues,\u2019 or by other proofs of a spiritual presence from the unseen world.\u201d1<\/sup> Nor do such conclusions about the canon of Scripture come from one particular denomination or theology, and certainly not just from fundamentalism or dispensationalism.\u00a0 In the early 1800s Andrew Fuller wrote, \u201cI concluded that we ought not to look for any new revelation of the mind of God, but to rest satisfied with what has been revealed already in his Word.\u201d2<\/sup> Around the same time John Newton wrote, \u201cNow as God only thus reveals himself by the medium of Scripture truth, the light received this way leads the soul to the Scripture from whence it springs, and all the leading truths of the word of God soon begin to be perceived and assented to.\u201d3<\/sup> Jonathan Edwards wrote, \u201cBut now, when the true religion is long since introduced and the canon of the Scripture completed, the use of miracles in the church ceases.\u201d4<\/sup> Charles Spurgeon wrote, \u201cThe canon of revelation is closed: there is no more to be added.\u00a0 God does not give a fresh revelation, but He rivets the old one.\u201d5<\/sup> And many more such quotes could be added.<\/p>\n

Today we have the same problem with a more \u201cChristian\u201d dress.\u00a0 The longing for more revelation from God is not limited to the cultic writings of self-proclaimed prophets such as Mohammad or Joseph Smith, nor to the flippant emotionalism of Pentecostals, Charismatics, and Third Wave experientialists. Now this hankering for a fresh word from God is quickly becoming the norm in main stream Evangelicalism.\u00a0 Fundamentalists play with the same language but usually lag a few years behind until it is accepted well enough not to be criticized.<\/p>\n

The new peeping and muttering comes from phrases like casting a vision, hearing God\u2019s whispers, having the gift of prophecy, or experiencing God\u2019s miracles.\u00a0 The use of these has gone beyond the innocent everyday language of years gone by.\u00a0 Most Christians have probably used such words to describe a spiritual moment or leading of God.\u00a0 But it is becoming obvious that many authors mean something different when they use these terms.\u00a0 A writer may use\u00a0 terms such as \u201cI have a vision\u201d or \u201cGod told me\u201d and the reader thinks he merely means spiritual understanding or human insight, but these days the writer may mean much more than that.\u00a0 While using a common expression he is probably referring to a more supernatural communication with God.<\/p>\n

A recent Barna poll6<\/sup> confirms these concerns.\u00a0 American believers believe God communicates with them in the following ways.\u00a0 52% by connecting with their emotions; 41% through a Bible passage; 36% by providing a sign; 34% through a sermon; 31% through miraculous or inexplicable circumstances; 31% through someone speaking for God; 18% through secular material; and 16% through an audible voice or whisper.<\/p>\n

In a recent series of articles on the differences between cessationists (those who believe miraculous gifts have ceased) and continuationists (those who believe they continue today), Central Seminary President Kevin Bauder rightfully comments,<\/p>\n

Once an allowance is made for the continuation of phophecy, how can anyone say whether any particular prophecy is actually from God, short of its explicitly contradicting Scripture?\u00a0 This is not merely a hypothetical question.\u00a0 In 2009, David Wilkerson prophesied that an earth-shattering calamity was about to engulf New York City, spilling over into New Jersey and Connecticut.\u00a0 In response, John Piper opined that Wilkerson\u2019s prophecy \u2018does not resonate with my spirit,\u2019 that it doesn\u2019t \u2018smell authentic,\u2019 and that elements of it seemed \u2018too prudential.\u2019\u00a0 These words exhibit the kind of dilemma in which some continuationists find themselves.\u00a0 On the one hand, they cringe from crediting this kind of prophecy.\u00a0 On the other hand, they cannot simply dismiss it.\u00a0 The result is that their criteria for judging prophecies give every appearance of being made up for the occasion.7<\/sup><\/p>\n

This same dilemma is forced upon all believers when they have to decipher common language used in equivocating ways.<\/p>\n

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The Whisperings of Bill Hybels<\/h2>\n

In a 2010 book titled, The Power Of A Whisper:\u00a0 Hearing God.\u00a0 Having The Guts To Respond<\/i>,\u00a0 mega-church pastor and author Bill Hybels claims that God has always whispered answers, directions, and words of encouragement to him.\u00a0 At times Hybels seems only to mean what anyone may mean when they think God is directing them.\u00a0 For example he says, \u201cAlthough I hadn\u2019t heard an audible voice, the refrain of that impression washed over me again and again that day.\u201d8<\/sup> Yet on the next page referring to the same incident he says, \u201cWhat we did have was the confidence that stems from receiving a clear whisper from God\u201d (94).<\/p>\n

At one point in the book where Hybels is explaining whispers, he says plainly, \u201cGod Speaks.\u201d\u00a0 This is followed by these words, \u201cNot only does God draw near to his children and seek them out when they\u2019re having a rough go, but also he speaks words to them\u2014words of comfort, insight and peace\u201d (156).\u00a0 Two pages later he says, \u201cI received my begged-for direction in ten profound but simple words.\u00a0 Syllable by syllable, here is precisely what the Holy Spirit laid on my heart that day:\u00a0 \u2018You are a treasured child of the most high God\u2019\u201d (158).\u00a0 The book is filled with such ambiguous statements.\u00a0 At one moment it is just a \u201cprompting\u201d or something that he \u201csensed.\u201d\u00a0 At another moment it is something God \u201crevealed\u201d or specifically \u201csaid\u201d to him.<\/p>\n

Chapter 4 of the book is titled, \u201cHow To Know When You\u2019re Hearing From God.\u201d\u00a0 Here he gives five \u201cfilters\u201d for discerning whether your whispers are really from God.\u00a0 #1, \u201cIs the Prompting Truly from God?\u201d\u00a0 seems like a bit of begging the question!\u00a0 #2, \u201cIs It Scriptural?\u201d\u00a0 would appear to be the most important.\u00a0 However, later in the book Hybels tells of the process his church went through when the leadership decided to allow women ministers.\u00a0 Two hundred families were leaving the church over it.\u00a0 But the example is used in the book because in the midst of this controversial time he records, \u201cGod whispered a much-needed message my way,\u00a0 \u2018You might take a hit for what you\u2019ve advocated, Bill, but every little girl growing up in Willow\u2019s family for generations to come will be the beneficiary of your strong stand.\u2019\u201d He then adds, \u201cIt was precisely the assurance I needed, from the only One whose approval I sought\u201d (151).\u00a0 Of course, my own thoughts went directly back to filter #2, Is it Scriptural?\u00a0 But what we learn is that to the person receiving these kinds of \u201crevelations,\u201d their experience takes immediate precedence over any other revelation God has given (a Christian version of the Islamic rule of abrogation\u2014the last thing that was said is the most authoritative).<\/p>\n

The concern here is the mixture of traditional Christian ways of saying that they felt \u201cled of God\u201d or similar things, and the crossing over the line of the supernatural reception of revelation from God.\u00a0 If God has actually spoken in whispers or by other means, we may have to apologize to Joseph Smith, Muhammad, and the rest.<\/p>\n

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The Visions of Andy Stanley<\/h2>\n

In the same vein as whisperings, I have had a long time concern with the newer uses of the word vision.\u00a0 I was first alarmed in reading George Barna\u2019s many books where he would urge leaders to seek their own personal vision from God for their ministry.\u00a0 In Andy Stanley\u2019s 1999 book Visioneering:\u00a0 God\u2019s blueprint for developing and maintaining personal vision<\/i>9<\/sup><\/i>, the case is made for leaders to seek a \u201cpersonal vision\u201d from God which will be that person\u2019s special direction from God for his ministry.\u00a0 The handy thing about this new doctrine is that the leader can\u2019t be judged by any other authority including chapters and verses.\u00a0 If God has given him his own personal information, who can disagree or oppose him in his ministry?<\/p>\n

As with Hybels\u2019 whispers, the word vision has been used in many ways by God\u2019s people.\u00a0 Generally it has been used to mean an idea or a plan for a certain project.\u00a0 At first Stanley talks in terms of \u201cyour destination in life,\u201d and where you go \u201con purpose.\u201d\u00a0 But quickly, by page 24, he is speaking of \u201ca divinely ordered vision\u201d and \u201cyour personal vision\u201d and \u201cGod\u2019s vision for your life.\u201d\u00a0 He says, \u201cAll divinely inspired visions are in some ways tied into God\u2019s master plan.\u00a0 Whether it is loving your wife, investing in your kids, witnessing to your neighbor, launching a ministry, or starting a company, every divinely placed burden has a link to a bigger picture\u201d (26).\u00a0 Notice the combining of divine revelation and mere burdens.<\/p>\n

As a footnote, I\u2019ve also been amazed at how evangelicals use mother Teresa as an example of God working through us.\u00a0 Stanley (p. 186) and Hybels (pp. 109, 157) both do this.\u00a0 Are we to evaluate God\u2019s revelation by a Roman Catholic nun?\u00a0 In explaining \u201cvision casting\u201d Stanley says, \u201cShe cast her vision to the Vatican and two years later the Missionaries of Charity was officially sanctioned by the Church\u201d (186).\u00a0 This is another example of an immediate revelation from God taking precedence over Scripture itself\u2014unless evangelicals are ready to accept Catholic doctrine of ongoing revelation as biblical.<\/p>\n

Because space prohibits, allow me to only briefly give two more.<\/p>\n

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The Prophesies of Wayne Grudem<\/h2>\n

Theologian Wayne Grudem, in his book, The Gift of Prophecy<\/i>10<\/sup><\/i>, presents the idea that God is still giving prophecy to people today.\u00a0 To guard against being aligned with outright charismatics however, Grudem proposes that God divinely gives revelation to people, but He doesn\u2019t protect the dissemination of that revelation.\u00a0 Therefore the modern prophet is not protected from error and the modern recipient is not sure whether he has received it from <\/i>the prophet as God gave it to<\/i> the prophet.<\/p>\n

The Miracles of C. Peter Wagner<\/h2>\n

Peter Wagner was the partner of John Wimber, founder of the Vineyard movement.\u00a0 Wagner believed that God gave miraculous power to believers today in order to combat the power of Satan (\u201csigns and wonders\u201d)11<\/sup>.\u00a0 Wagner (and others) proposed that \u201cWestern\u201d Christians don\u2019t see the \u201cexcluded middle\u201d tier of supernatural phenomena that takes place all around them.\u00a0 Only those from an oriental \u201cmystical\u201d culture understand such things.\u00a0 That\u2019s why most of us do not take advantage of the power over demons and other Satanic authority.<\/p>\n

And So . . . .<\/h2>\n

Cessationist Ernest Pickering wrote, \u201cWhile theoretically God could bestow any spiritual gift He wished, He does not and will not do so in contradiction to His revealed purposes.\u201d12<\/sup> The struggle for a clear, once-for-all revealed Word of God continues today.\u00a0 The issues will become cloudier rather than clearer.\u00a0 The Bible believing Christian must be discerning!<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

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