{"id":1038,"date":"2002-03-26T23:58:51","date_gmt":"2002-03-26T23:58:51","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/aletheiabaptistministries.org\/Blog\/march-qthe-vision-of-the-traditional-churchq\/"},"modified":"2015-11-01T04:34:02","modified_gmt":"2015-11-01T04:34:02","slug":"march-qthe-vision-of-the-traditional-churchq","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/aletheiabaptistministries.org\/Blog\/march-qthe-vision-of-the-traditional-churchq\/","title":{"rendered":"The Vision Of The Traditional Church"},"content":{"rendered":"

The 8th century Irish hymn <\/span>Be Thou My Vision <\/em>has, ironically, become popular today as a modern \u201cCeltic\u201d hymn.\u00a0 In my opinion, the irony lies in the fact that so many people today do not make the Incarnate Christ the subject of their vision at all, but rather seek for an individual vision from Christ.\u00a0 This is typical of the modern twisting of normal language and doctrine.\u00a0 But it is not a new phenomenon.<\/span><\/p>\n

In his book, The Anabaptist Story<\/em>, William Estep points out a problem that existed in the 14th century church:\u00a0 \u201cFailure to distinguish between the Anabaptists, inspirationists, and rationalists has led to gross misunderstanding of the entire Radical Reformation.\u201d1<\/sup> The \u201cinspirationists\u201d were those such as Thomas Muntzer and the Zwickau prophets (like the later Quakers) who sought spiritual visions and revelations.\u00a0 The \u201crationalists\u201d such as Faustus Socinus, placed too much emphasis on reason and rationality.\u00a0 But \u201cFor the Swiss and south German Anabaptists, the final authority for the Christian life and the faith and order of the church was the New Testament, in particular the life and teachings of Christ.\u201d2<\/sup> There has always been a conflict over the nature of \u201cvision\u201d for the church and the believer.<\/p>\n

One suspects that the current love for the \u201cCeltic\u201d hymns (I am pronouncing that with a hard \u201cC\u201d, though I am still a fan of the Boston \u201cCeltics\u201d) is actually more a love for the mystical and medieval than for the historic incarnation of Christ.\u00a0 This was true of the \u201cinspirationists\u201d who sought mystical self-revelatory guides for their life, as opposed to the core of independent brethren who searched the Scriptures for their direction.<\/p>\n

I think there is a growing impreciseness today over what we mean by \u201cvision.\u201d\u00a0 Some may simply mean new ideas, but others obviously mean revelations from God.\u00a0 Most, I suppose, are somewhere between these two and yet speak as if God has given them something unique and individual.\u00a0 It is not uncommon to hear of someone getting their own vision from God for a particular ministry.\u00a0 Each person\u2019s vision is different from another\u2019s but each is authoritative for their life and calling.<\/p>\n

The danger is that these individual visions become the real directive in a Christian\u2019s life, while the Bible serves merely as a general set of principles and values to guide the vision to its finish.\u00a0 No matter how orthodox one claims to be, this kind of thinking is alarming.\u00a0 George Barna, for example, writes, \u201cOur task is to grasp and articulate God\u2019s vision for our future and to facilitate the change necessary to create that future.\u201d3<\/sup> For Barna, this vision is given by God to a Christian leader for his specific ministry and is not to be taken as a guide for anyone else\u2019s ministry.<\/p>\n

The Traditional Church has always been skeptical of such language.\u00a0 It is used too flippantly by some and too loaded with mystical meaning by others.\u00a0 Proverbs 29:18, Where there is no vision, the people perish,<\/em> is often used to support individual revelations (even Barna uses it this way), but we must agree with Alden when he writes, \u201cVision here does not refer to one\u2019s ability to formulate goals and work toward them, nor does it mean eyesight or the ability to understand.\u00a0 Vision instead is a synonym for what a prophet does.\u201d4<\/sup> Without our thoughts and actions being grounded in God\u2019s Word, we will \u201cperish\u201d in our ministry for God.<\/p>\n

I would like to offer five aspects of the vision of God\u2019s churches.<\/p>\n

The Reception of the Vision is Historic<\/h3>\n

Jude wrote his short epistle that we should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints <\/em>(Jude 3).\u00a0 Peter said that holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost <\/em>(2 Pet 1:21). Both of these verses speak of the church possessing the finished revelation from God and it is a dangerous thing for Christians to talk of receiving new vision from God.<\/p>\n

Spurgeon wrote, \u201cI have heard many fanatical persons say the Holy Spirit revealed this and that to them.\u00a0 Now that is very generally revealed nonsense.\u00a0 The Holy Ghost does not reveal anything fresh now.\u00a0 He brings old things to our remembrance.\u00a0 \u2018He shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance whatsoever I have told you.\u2019\u00a0 The canon of revelation is closed: there is no more to be added.\u00a0 God does not give a fresh revelation, but He rivets the old one.\u201d5 <\/sup><\/p>\n

We would be much better off if we could see that God has given us all the vision we need in the Incarnation of His Son and in the written revelation of His Son.\u00a0 The Holy Spirit, then, is our resident Teacher to convict and remind us of things that are written.\u00a0 He may burden us in a way that is compelling for us to act, but He always convicts, and we always act scripturally.<\/p>\n

The Content of the Vision is Universal<\/h3>\n

The inspiration of the Scripture which contains the incarnation of Christ, IS the vision for EVERY believer!\u00a0 The writer of Hebrews said, God, who at sundry times and in divers manners, spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets, hath in these last days spoken to us by his son <\/em>(Heb 1:1-2).\u00a0 Peter said that the Bible is a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed <\/em>(2 Pet 1:19).<\/p>\n

Believers all over the world and in every generation have had the same vision given to them in the Scripture.\u00a0 This is what has given unity to the Body of Christ.\u00a0 Wherever you might find believers in this whole world, you can count on them believing and doing the same things you believe and do.\u00a0 If you differ, it is due to hermeneutics, not to subjective mystical experiences.<\/p>\n

Many movements have departed from this universal foundation into subjective experiences.\u00a0 John Wimber, founder of the Vineyard Movement, wrote, \u201cI assumed that Bible study, especially as approached in evangelical seminaries, was the key to being equipped and empowered to do God\u2019s work….but I no longer see it as the sole avenue to being equipped and empowered to do God\u2019s Work.\u201d6<\/sup> Peter Wagner, Wimber\u2019s life-long associate in this \u201csigns and wonders\u201d movement also wrote, \u201cIn the early years….I focused mostly on Bible study….Now I know more about worship, reverence, and praise.\u00a0 I seek a daily refilling of the Holy Spirit in a way I can actually feel his presence….I am beginning to distinguish the voice of God from my own thoughts and to allow him to speak to me directly.\u201d7<\/sup><\/p>\n

These modern \u201cinspirationists\u201d should not set the pattern for Bible-believing people.\u00a0 This was Jude\u2019s fear that we would not contend for the \u201conce for all\u201d faith.<\/p>\n

The Goal of the Vision is Discovery<\/h3>\n

Since we have God\u2019s vision for us, and we know it is for all of us, we should be diligent about studying it to find truth for today.\u00a0 It is the Postmodernist who tells us that truth is not discovered but created.\u00a0 To him, all history is obsolete and only new information can be true.\u00a0 I am not saying that all \u201cinspirationists\u201d are postmodernists, but that we may be influenced more by the culture than we think!<\/p>\n

R.A. Torrey wrote, \u201cIt is not by seasons of mystical meditation and rapturous experiences that we learn to abide in Christ; it is by feeding upon His word, His written word as found in the Bible, and looking to the Holy Spirit to implant these words in our hearts and to make them a living thing in our hearts.\u201d8<\/sup> Jesus said, Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me<\/em> (John 5:39).<\/p>\n

One of those early Anabaptists who was converted under Zwingli but broke with him upon further study of the Bible was Conrad Grebel.\u00a0 He wrote, \u201cWe were listeners to Zwingli\u2019s sermons and readers of his writings, but one day we took the Bible itself in hand and were taught better.\u201d9<\/sup> A man\u2019s vision of what needs to be done will always fall short of what the Bible itself will show us by diligent study.<\/p>\n

The Result of the Vision is Practical<\/h3>\n

Zwingli was the spiritual father of a number of young students in Zurich.\u00a0 The October Disputation of 1523 brought the group of young reformers into conflict with the city council.\u00a0 Zwingli had promised that he would stand with the young men to oppose the Christmas mass and ask for freedom to observe the simple Lord\u2019s Supper.\u00a0 When Zwingli bowed to the council\u2019s wishes, betraying his young students, one young man, Simon Stumpf, excaimed, \u201cMaster Ulrich, you do not have the right to place the decision on this matter in the hands of my lords, for the decision has already been made, the Spirit of God decides.\u201d10<\/sup> Estep explains that \u201cZwingli next delineated the difference between truth as determined from study of the Scriptures and the implementation of truth by the council.\u201d11<\/sup><\/p>\n

Bible believing people have always held that the Bible is the basis for practice as well as faith.\u00a0 In the Scripture we do not merely have what is \u201cdescribed\u201d for us but\u00a0 what is \u201cprescribed\u201d for the pattern of the church.\u00a0 We do not leave the doctrinal matters with the Scripture and find the practical matters in visions.\u00a0 Both faith and practice come from the Word of God.\u00a0 As Bruce Shelley described, \u201cLittle groups of Anabaptist believers gathered about their Bibles.\u00a0 They discovered a different world in the pages of the New Testament.\u201d12 <\/sup><\/p>\n

The Priority of the Vision is Submission<\/h3>\n

All is vain unless there is a willing conformity to this changeless Body of truth.\u00a0 The Word of God has a way of humbling the individual to the point of denying his selfish interests for the sake of revealed truth.\u00a0 Paul commended the Thessalonians\u00a0 by writing, When ye received the word of God which ye heard of us, ye received it not as the word of men, but as it is in truth, the word of God, which effectually worketh also in you that believe<\/em> (1 Thes 2:13).<\/p>\n

We need not bow to the cultural pressure of being perceived as great visionaries who have received special direction from God and must, therefore, insist that our people follow without question.\u00a0 Our people ought to question such self-serving attitudes in leaders.\u00a0 Paul chided the Corinthians for being duped in such a way, For ye suffer fools gladly, seeing ye yourselves are wise. For ye suffer, if a man bring you into bondage, if a man devour you, if a man take of you, if a man exalt himself, if a man smite you on the face.<\/em> (2 Cor 11:19-20).<\/p>\n

No great man ever wanted to be great!\u00a0 He wanted to be like Christ and was thrust into service.\u00a0 Most leadership training today is ego-building based on common business principles.\u00a0 The sad thing is, it will work in most churches because the price of submission to revealed truth is too high.\u00a0 As G.K. Chesterton said, \u201cThe Christian ideal has not been tried and found wanting.\u00a0 It has been found difficult and left untried.\u201d13<\/sup><\/p>\n

And So . . .<\/h3>\n

God grant us the ability to walk by faith and not by sight, and may our anchor hold, steadfast and sure, to the One who is entered within the veil, where authorities and powers are made subject unto Him.<\/p>\n

Notes:<\/address>\n
1. William Estep, The Anabaptist Story <\/em>(Grand Rapids: Eerdmans, 1996) 21.<\/address>\n
2. Estep, 22.<\/address>\n
3. George Barna, The Second Coming of the Church<\/em> (Nashville: Word Publishing, 1998) 98.<\/address>\n
4. Robert Alden, Proverbs <\/em>(Grand Rapids: Baker, 1983) 202.<\/address>\n
5. Charles Spurgeon, \u201cThe Comforter,\u201d Understanding the Holy Spirit <\/em>(AMG, 1995) 179.<\/address>\n
6. John Wimber, Power Evangelism <\/em>(San Francisco: Harper, 1992) 91.<\/address>\n
7. Peter Wagner, The Third Wave of the Holy Spirit<\/em> (Ann Arbor: Vine Books, 1988) 129.<\/address>\n
8. R.A. Torrey, How To Pray <\/em>(Chicago: Moody Press, nd.) 68.<\/address>\n
9. Estep 20.\u00a0 10. Estep, 16.\u00a0 11. Estep, 17.<\/address>\n
12. Bruce Shelley, Church History in Plain Language<\/em> (Dallas: Word Publishing, 1995) 248.<\/address>\n
13. G.K. Chesterton, What\u2019s Wrong With The World<\/em> (San Francisco: Ignatius Press, 1994) 37.<\/address>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

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